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"Tübingen Minutes"Tübingen Minutes (die Protokolle des internationalen Dissent Treffen in Tübingen 26-27.2.2005) Hier sind sie: die "minutes" aus Tübingen! Sie sind - bis auf die vom deutschsprachigen Vernetzungstreffen - alle in englisch, wenn sich jemand die Mühe machen würde, sie zu übersetzen, das wäre prima! The following are the minutes of a two day international meeting to co-ordinate radical resistance to the 2005 G8 Summit to be held in the UK. The meeting took place in Tuebingen, Germany and was hosted by the Tuebingen Infoladen. The meeting was organised by the Dissent! International Networking Group. To contact the Dissent! International Networking Group for comments upon, or corrections to, these minutes, email: info-g82005atriseup.net For more information about Dissent! see: www.dissent.org.uk or email the above address. Note: the original agenda and the invitation to the meeting, in English, German, Spanish, Italian, French and Greek, can be found on the Dissent! website: www.dissent.org.uk The weekend's agenda was put together by the Dissent! International Networking Group in early January 2005 and circulated for comments. An open meeting was held on Friday February 25, 2005, the night before the meeting began to incorporate comments into the agenda. The final agenda was as follows: * First Session: Opening Session Sunday * Small Group Sessions Additionally: A German-language meeting and the UK-based Dissent! International Networking Group also met. Minutes available at the end of this document. Countries people are from and where mentioned groups. Approx- 90 people. Finland, Germany, Ireland (Gluseicht), France (Anti-G8 networks), Russia (IMC network), Netherlands (Rampenplan, IMC), Israel, Lebanon (Marhaba tour), Switzerland (G8 group) Sweden, Barcelona, Italy, Netherlands, England (IMC, Trapese), Chile, Scotland, US, Canada, Belgium, Greece, Finland. Belaraus Brief introductions to: Dissent!, and the other mobilisations against the Summit (such as G8 Alternatives and Make Poverty History, the attitude of the mainstream media to the Summit and the protests, and some of the actions being prepared were given. Here are the notes taken from those introductions: Dissent was formed around the fall of 2003- to create a mobilization against the G8 but also to try and build a network beyond that. It is made up of various autonomous and radical movements and organizations. Dissent has a number of local and working groups throughout Britain. Dissent! Has adopted the PGA hallmarks and is based on principals of consensus decision making decentralization and a direct action. Dissent has bi-monthly meetings and the minutes are available to download on the website. Since 2003 Dissent! Has continued to expand and grow. There are two other groups mobilizing to Scotland. Note: An intervention was made, commenting that the PGA Hallmarks do not cover everything and do not, in themselves, make a movement. Some found the Hallmarks problematic. Some groups present at the meeting would not join the mobilisation under the Hallmarks, due to the problems they have with them. » The political context of Scotland. There is a strong history of resistance in Scotland- miners, crofters and rent strikes- there is a strong working class. There is a tradition of rural and urban struggle. Rurally people are less likely to come out in mass protests- recent acts of resistance have included rent-racking (people coming down from the highlands to protest against increased rent) More recently in Edinburgh- there has been poll tax strike and various occupations, including the occupying of the Autonomous Centre in Edinburgh. The anti war protests brought record numbers of people out to protest. There is also strong resistance to GM crops. Differences you may expect- Scottish people are quite reserved- but not unfriendly. They become involved in political issues if they believe they are right. The main point is to try and build on the strong undercurrent of feeling of right and wrong and builds on that. We have the largest population of box dwellers (people living in social housing). They have tried to put the G8 in an inaccessible place the best way to deal with this is to come to Scotland to protest this. There will be infrastructure in Scotland to support people. It's important to remember that Scotland is not a colony of England Make poverty history (MPH) is the biggest campaign coalition of NGO's there has been in the UK and is made up of people from Oxfam, local churches and big relief groups. It's important specifically because they are organizing a large demonstration several days before the summit starts. They are talking mostly about third world debt and also talking about increasing aid and changing some of the trade rules that govern trade. The UK labour government is making a very big media and political strategy around the G8. The UK government propaganda is arguing that the G8 summit is all about poverty and climate change and how the labour government is dealing with this. Many people in the UK are beginning to think that this G8 is about making the world a better place. Some of the smaller NGO's are critical of forced economic liberalization (WTO, GATTS etc) and are much more radical- they have been trying to make a stance but they are a small voice within the bigger coalition. The picture that is being painted that Make Poverty History is the good protestors and Dissent! Are the bad protestors? Senior people from MPH are saying it's not a march it's a walk and they are working with the Scottish tourist board. They are not encouraging people to stay after the Saturday, July 2nd march. MPH is part of a much world wider coalition of NGO's mobilizing for the WTO ministerial in Hong Kong and Millennium Goal seminars. MPH is absolutely terrified that the bad protestors will attempt to disrupt their march. G8 Alternatives was set up by Globalize Resistance- a front group for the Socialist Workers Party- whom a number of groups have had problems with in the past. The Scottish CND, free party people and the Green Party also make up G8 Alternatives. G8 Alternatives are trying to get permission through the Scottish parliament for a rock concert for the duration of the summit. They have also called for a protest on July 6th at Gleneagles train station. It is important to note that the SWP is different from the SSP (The Scottish socialist party who are a respected Scottish political party). Climate change and Africa are big topics at the G8. Climate change is fuelled by oil, which is fuelled by capitalism, and we are trying to break the climate issue from just being centered on the environment into a wider anti capitalist context. We are coordinating an International day of action on the 8th of July to link oil, war, climate change and the G8 summit. There has been a lot of publicity about the summit. Most of the articles are about the issues- climate change and debt or about potential protests and security arrangements. It is important to note that the mainstream media get fairly hysterical in the build up to such summit. It will get considerably worse before the summit. In the past with actions such as reclaim the Streets, June 18th and Mayday the press has gone insane and just lied. Headlines like « Protestors will use samurai swords », « We will use children as a shield against police » We have to be aware of this. G8 Alternatives and Make Poverty History are speaking to the media and this is perpetuating the myth that Dissent! are the bad protestors? There is going to be IMC facilities in Scotland but IMC will not organize accommodation for people. There is a grassroots political group in Glasgow called Camcorder Guerillas that make documentaries. They are currently working on a G8 video. IMC is not affiliated to DISSENT! Or any other political organisation. IMC UK stands for United Kollectives not the United Kingdom. Lyon, France We are organising a festival of resistance for three weeks during April and May. 1 week will focus on the G8 summit. In our meeting in Lyon people did not really want to go to Edinburgh, however we will explain to people that there is a mobilization to Scotland. We are not enormous amounts of people in Lyon. During the G8 summit we will build urban zones of resistance in solidarity with the G8 summit. Russia We see the G8 in Scotland as an opportunity to bring attention to the G8 in Russia as not many people know about them and their next meeting will be in Russia. We cannot create very much in our country because there is a lot of repression. There will be solidarity actions in Minsk, Moscow and Kiel. One idea is to play golf near the UK embassy. Germany There is a German-speaking Dissent! Network to mobilise people from German speaking countries. A lot of posters for the German speaking world have been produced, there are 30,000 stickers, 40-50 CD's, newsletters. There is a big meeting in Hamburg from the 4th-8th of May. The German network is organizing info-tours and evenings around German speaking countries about the legal situation and the G8. In 2007 the G8 summit will be in Germany and this is an important part of the outreach work being done. Middle East In our countries the movements are not really connected to the G8 and WTO. We are doing a tour called « Marhaba » around Europe we would like to use this tour as an opportunity to open space for debate about the role of the G8 in our countries through terrorism and security issues. We are bringing people to Scotland to form a Middle Eastern block and to make the links and connections with the situation in our countries. Netherlands (Report given by: Rampenplan) There is a festival which around 25,000 people will attend and we would like to use this as an opportunity to outreach and mobilize people. There are also info nights and local groups preparing to come to Scotland Britain/UK There has been a war going on in Northern Ireland for the last 500 years that has seen many people killed. UK includes Northern Ireland, Britain does not. Both are complicated terms with lots of issues but its better to say Britain. London/Berlin Refugee Issue The idea is to use the G8 summit to highlight the plight of refugees and asylum issues. There is an appeal to the international network mobilizing against the G8 to discuss how to build asylum issues into the G8 protests and Dissent! Network. An extensive briefing was given on this topic, followed by a question and answer session. The basis of the presentation was taken from the Legal Guide which is now available online from: www.g8legalsupport.info *****Lunch Break***** An update was given to the meeting on the situation as it stands in the UK. Dissent! is looking for a large convergence centre, currently there is not one. Convergence spaces are being looked for in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Stirling and Perth. Due to the location of the G8 summit a lot of comparisons are being drawn with the protests in Evian against the G8. It is assumed unlikely that the government will give a space to protests as they have done in Evian, Genoa and Prague. We would like to get both an urban and rural space. We will need to get around 20,000 more Euros to pay for these convergence centres, as we are unlikely to be given anything by councils or the government. Dissent! has come to the consensus decision to squat if a legal convergence can't be found. There is a lot of countryside around, however it would be safer to get a legal convergence space. Dissent! also has an agreement with groups like Scottish CND to have autonomous zones within a wider convergence centre. Quite early on in the G8 mobilization it was explicitly decided one of the most important aspects is creating a convergence space where there are new experiences of collective self-management, where people organize themselves and facilitate autonomous action, build unity and networks. The idea would be to run the convergence centres a month before hand to encourage groups to come and have their meetings in Scotland. Part of the reason we are having difficulties. 1. We need more support from within government There will be a training course on setting up a large rural campsite at the end of May to the beginning of June. The issue of convergence centres has been brought up in Scottish parliament by MSP's. There is a great deal of hype surrounding the issues of convergence centres in the media and the police are rumoured to have approached land owners and warned them not to rent their land out. The following things are needed for the convergence centre * Supply of water and cheap ethical food Catering The Anarchist Teapot kitchen in Brighton is the contact point for anything to do with food (email: anarchisttpotatyahoo.co.uk website: www.eco-action.org/teapot). They are trying to find local suppliers for things like propane gas, water, dried food suppliers. Also the Anarchist Teapot are compiling information so that it's accessible to other food collectives. So far there is absolutely no idea how many people are coming so it's been hard to estimate how many kitchens would be needed. * Rampenplan: When they have enough people they can cook for 2000-3000 Other big kitchens in Hanover and Belgium will be contacted. A list will be made of kitchens that are coming and also of kitchens that need to be contacted. Anarchist Teapot are sourcing local organic food suppliers where possible. There is no guarantee that all the kitchens will get into the country so it is important that people think about being as self- sufficient as possible. Anarchist Teapot has 3000 pounds that they can put into the kitchens. A team of drivers and vans to get food into the camps (around 17 tones will be needed per day) is being found Contact other food kitchens that were at the VAAG Currently there are no marquees. It must be noted that even though it is summer in Scotland it does rain a lot. However we can build geo-desic domes if we can source the wood and tarpaulins. * Some one from Germany can bring two large tents In Strasbourg in the camp was sub structured into different barrios. These were autonomous and people came together in a spokes council with the whole camp on a daily basis. It is very important that we build an alternative within to the camp but not to set our objectives too high and to make them unattainable. It is difficult to organize truly participatory processes for 10,000 people and decision-making structures need to be very clear and accessible to all. Everybody needs to do as much fundraising as possible in their own country. Dissent! is fucked for money and really needs help. Rampenplan are cooking at a commercial festival two weeks before the G8 and will donate around 10,000 euros. There is a question about the structure of funding, how money is spent, where it goes, how the decisions are made. Clarification point: groups and individuals who donate money can specify where they want it to be used There are fairly good public transport link between Edinburgh, Glasgow, Stirling and Perth. Drivers are needed for buses. People with transport need to work out in advance how much their van/bus will be available for public use. These notes cover what various people said and are not agreements of whole meeting. What would the people like to talk about? explanation about the workshop, by people from the last night meeting planning. the invitation: we should consider different factors, and make it really international, we have to clear it because it is, vague, it might be difficult in for everybody. talk about transportation, border, travelling? how we build and engage people to be part in the mobilisation? and linking up with them. what to talk about? mobilisation, invitations. who will organise this thing and how to stress the immigration issue. using the pga. for it? working together with no borders of that, talks in Porto Algiers about the G8 and the the globalisation bodies, and outcome a translation movement. know more about other countries . problem of transportation, to organise border travelling, emphasis from a lot on that, how to mobilise, provide resource for information. financially very hard to get people here, so make anther sort of solidarity action, the visas, have a group that would help in that. to have a network for mobilisation, travelling, bicycle. how to mobilise people to go there and groups to work locally, would like to make discussion more practical. to mobilise inside asylum seekers home in UK, and depending on resource, and going beyond borders, to highlight the restriction of movement to asylum seekers. how can we get the people in the mobilisation and to be in the action of the PGA. problems at the borders, to think about the other people that would face such thing and to focus on it. talking about going to buses, and how, when to mobilise. transport and getting more people. we are not few, and a lot of people are sympathetic, there is a way to get people to be involved and supportive. start building links with the people. set a strategy of solidarity. to network to link, refugee and G8. planning and action. 26th of March a meeting in London, anti repression, having a mobilisation meeting as part of Dissent. How to expand the fact that people from all over should be there, not an additional thing. points: transportation; how do we get people? sharing skills, resources to mobilise? linking networks. sharing skills. in Berlin a lot of materials, they have posters and stickers for German speakers. the "trapese", having a cdrom, has movies and presentation templates and infos about G8 , there is no time for other projects. there is website from Canada about it. to post it in all imcs, and fundraise through parties to make ads for G8. and to break the anti G8 circle and just people looking it up for themselves. to get people interested. throught Marhaba Europe, need more materials . project of people in Scotland to host people from Middle East, East Europe, and Africa, we can take the discussion to our local group and then, work it out with the people from Scotland. news letter in German, and info cds, about G8. info evening about migration and G8, and announce this on the list and media as well. languages as it is hard for people to read English, to find a native website, wiki is the name. http://www.dissent.org.uk/ if you are not an EU citizen you may need an invitation to the UK. helpful if from company. those from Scotland to go back to find groups to take this on, to see if the invitation, and there is a collective working on many issues, and it is important to start now. no firm answer. We should continue discussion about invitation. create a mailing list to help link invitation and invited. how can we get to Scotland, which is cheap, safe, and what routes . suggestion : ferry boat, and mostly single, or just in cars or small minbuses and look main stream: also when do you plan to come? 2 day early or 2 weeks, and what do you get in leaflets . Flights direct to Scotland with such as ryanair.com can be cheap and then ferry, the best might be individually, and to set different direct action before the G8, and make a lot of noise. making actions and free movement issue, building a campaign about that and borders. hitch hiking eg with Lorrys can be interesting. to pressure the NGO people for more action. the immigration control if you are illegal, and some people should be with you, going to Gastons court case, and witness because he might have movements restricted. is it possible to sneak in the political groups, like socialist groups, trade unionist? how can we get people to help others in the borders issue. do direct action is case if buses got turned from entering Scotland. get copy of meeting minutes, and everybodies email. So people can start working. and focus on this subjects. Check various ferry routes. If we will have no borders day of action it should be with the NGOs, trade unions demonstration. NO BORDERS NETWORK. They are busy. check the email list, but nothing for G8. The Strasbourg people want to do something but not enough people. Suggested to use an Internet Relay Chat channel, to talk more about initiatives. Next Dissent International Working group meeting 26th of March in London hosted by the Voice Refugee Forum with outreach being done to bring in other groups. There is already existing g8refugee action: http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/g8refugee-action another list yet to be worked out coming from makebordershistory initiative from this meeting may be set up. http://www.makebordershistory.org domain now obtained. Intro (by organisers) Trident Ploughshares and CND are organizing a blockade of Faslane nuclear submarine base on 4th July. They've called for a non-violence approach. Dissent! blockades early on the 6th, with the aim of stopping the delegates arriving. Dissent! is trying to work out a way of coordinating autonomous blockades using different styles. In 1970s there were many successful mass blockades in strikes, including miners strikes; in 1980s police tried and often succeeded in preventing movement of pickets. There has also been a tradition of using smaller numbers with special equipment, i.e. lock-on tubes, tripods, etc. but there is a pool of expertise amongst the police in dealing with this. Crowds of school children in antiwar protests have routinely out-manouvered police in Scotland. Proposal: « We object to the illegitimate G8 summit going ahead, and we call for a blockade of the routes into Gleneagles Hotel on 6th July; if the G8 does not go ahead, we will reconsider our call », (carried by unanimous consent). July the 8th - international day against the profit makers of climate change There is an environment minister meeting before the summit. 16th/17th of March. Often the ministers meetings are very important as decisions get taken there and problems get smoothed out before the actual summit. A climate group has been created between climate chaos groups, road protests network and is trying to work together with other environmental groups. Research has been done by Corporate Watch and produces a lot of information about the oil industry in Scotland. A booklet about the different action targets is being put together. The day of action on the 8th has been announced publicly, but not the target. If we only work with affinity groups then we could avoid announcing it and keeping the target secret. There is also an idea to do simultaneous actions at different targets. An email list has been set up to co-ordinate events and actions g8climateactionatlists.riseup.net About 20 people attended the meeting: Meeting Context: The mainstream media working group was an opt-in group held along with parallel sessions which included: Sunday, February 27, 2005 - 3:45pm **Press Release**Press Release**Press Release**Press Release** From 26th-27th February 2005, people involved in anti-capitalist groups and networks from twenty-three different countries, gathered in Tuebingen, Germany to continue planning resistance to the 2005 G8 Summit. The meeting declared, « This year's Summit professes to address issues important to us all, amongst them: climate change and poverty. Yet these are issues produced by a system from which the G8 was born and which it attempts to manage. Resistance is the obvious and growing response to the current order. Our aim is not merely to oppose the Summit, but to contribute to the daily struggle to create new worlds. » A number of action plans were developed over the weekend, reflecting the diversity of the perspectives from which those attending were coming. Concrete action plans included: The meeting also commented, « Whilst the eight most powerful men on Earth retreat behind fences and into militarised zones to pursue their policies of war, growth and destruction, we are attempting to build new spaces, open to everybody, and in which we can demonstrate our legitimate alternatives: of self-management, of non-hierarchical and consensus based decision making and of ecological sustainability. » Notes to the Editor The following was reported back to the meeting following the medic working group meeting. Leaflets were made available to those wanting more information. At the beginning of the meeting, the « Working Group against Work » (dissentagainstworkatyahoo.co.uk; http://lists.activix.org/mailman/listinfo/resistg8-wgaw ) and their action planned on 4th of July (Monday) was presented. The group emerged out of talks around precarious conditions of work and life and resistance to them and want to bring this discussion into the protest against the G8. On the 4th of July, they propose a mobile party in central Edinburgh that will « visit » places like job centres, bailiffs, agencies involved in the New Deal and the benefit regime, companies exploiting casual and migrant labour and end up in a shopping area. They also plan actions in Brighton and Bristol to mark the employment ministers' summit. There are also other actions the group though about during the Anti-G8 protests which were discussed in the Working Group like piquetero-style roadblocks and blockades, free shops, occupations and activities of mass self-reduction. Some of these actions have never been tried before in the UK and the Working group was sceptical whether the days around the G8 were the right time to do them for the first time because the atmosphere will probably be very tense. The same problem would probably occur with other forms of actions we discussed like YoMango-Dinners (« organised food » which is distributed in form of a big dinner for everyone) or « for-free »-actions as done in Germany - demanding and actively seeking free entrance to museums, swimming pools and public transport. We were also discussing that any action around this theme of precarity should try to involve the people who are most concerned like people working in call centres or migrants. We came to the conclusion that although it is difficult it should be tried to do actions like the ones described above with an outreach-attitude to people working and living under precarious conditions- whose numbers grow every day! It's very important to include the idea of resistance against those conditions with mass actions that are fun and colourful because this is where one of the outcomes of G8 politics becomes visible in everyday life. Introduction A celebration of the right to roam - walking in the Ochii hills and weekly walks, land access and maps. Call for Beacons of Dissent on Tuesday. Also Crazy Golfers may join from the city. Tours of local pubs planned. Note: We are facilitating but not organising walks. But this is not a DIY action - we believe in collective action. There is a route over the hills to Gleneagles. This may prove to be the best way to Gleneagles. Highest hills are about 700 metres. (note this has been corrected from raw minutes as was given incorrectly in meeting sorry) Dollar to Glendevon is from 2 and a half to 6 hour walk. Allow 1 day to get across the hills. Times to be calculated in preparatory walks. The A9 cuts the hills off from Gleneagles. Tired walkers may want to Sleep-in or Sit-in at the A9 Northern approach - Aberdeen and Golfing groups also looking at routes from the north. river, detours and the road from Perth: there is a group of walkers plotting a route from Perth. StarMarch : 5 or 6 routes from different directions meeting up in the middle. Is the blockade on 6th July only? How is cycling on/in the hills? Roads, tracks and some paths are fine, hills to be tested. Beacons Walkers can go on and off road. Compass and map reading can be practised anywhere. Discussion of possible police operation Helicopters: can also move shipping containers for road blocks/ temp holding people into positions. Much harder for police to block hill walking. No rights of way: right to roam without taking up residence. There is a police force boundary in the Ochil Hills, it is unsure what this means in practice though. Police horses not bred or trained to go into hills. Police dogs are expected. Maybe they will also put the English police in the hills! Policing the hills is organisational problem for them. Maybe soldiers in police uniforms at these locations. Closer to the time police will announce their plans. We will establish lines of communication closer to the time. The more people come on walks before hand, the more we can practice and prepare the hills before the police operation gets into effect. There maybe legal restrictions being setup, eg trespass, so again we stress: we are not organising an event: we are simply walking in the hills and inviting others to join us. We will combine with other walkers and protesters from the north and all around. From past experience, it is suggested that the police will only secure the highway and allow the hill walking to go on, and just observe. The Silver group plan to stay in the hills and look down on the G8 and laugh at them. Others are invited to join. Experience in Ireland showed that instead of onroad, the fields were very difficult to police and provided opportunities for unexpected road blocks. Gleneagles golf course is massive. The north approach features a river and the southern approach has the hills. Both approaches would disrupt the conference. Maybe they will just fence off the whole thing - or station police all round it. Or just police all the roads. The golf course is very difficult to police, even the front door will be very difficult to manage. Many examples like Davos in Swizerland where 20,0000 police and army chased protesters. Some protesters tried to ski over the much higher hills, but there were just too many police. Gleneagles includes a rifle range on north side for sport and there is also a military range away to the south west. They must cease fire if they know that there are other people in the area. General Notes Weather is changeable - bring waterproofs, warm clothes, 9.45 sunset : not much dark but bring a torch. Start camping and outdoor life now! wherever you are! We will be in touch with the blockades to the north and other directions, but will focus on hill walking. And link with other groups for mobilising. Bring tents and supplies for sustaining oneself. We will provide the practical information. It is believed large amounts of people can camp in the Ochils; need to check out more. Right to roam without impeding lawful activity Also except when royalty is in residence with controversial change in law - maybe the Queen will be coming to the G8 meeting. Is legal to roam on the Gleneagles golf course normally. Please contact silveratj12.org with any further questions. Two border camps are planned - one in France and one in Ireland. This will be co-ordinated through a mailing list. On the 3rd of July there will be an action co-ordinated by the no Border network. It will be a day called make borders history and there is a planned action at a nearby detention centre. The French people will try to co-ordinate with people in Calais to organise a demo and solidarity for people who cannot pass the border. A call to action is being made A press statement was produced to be sent out immediately after the meeting. There is a mainstream media group which aims to co-ordinate both national and international media. There is an email list is media_strategy_against_g8atlists.riseup.net Medics will be available for three weeks starting on the 24th of June. At the meeting there were medics from France, Britain, Germany, Switzerland. There will be a medical point at the convergence centres, streets medics and a safe clinic for longer-term care. Everyone is encouraged everyone have a first aider in his or her affinity group and learn a bit about how to prevent trauma. There are leaflets available and information on the website for people that want to be involved. Indymedia will be covering Dissent! Actions, Faslane blockades and Make Poverty History demonstrations. As well as covering the actions Indymedia wants to cover the issues behind the protests and also the groups coming to the protests. There will be several different media places in Scotland. There are two websites- Scotland Indymedia and UK indymedia. There is an email list for planning indymedia work around the G8 Scotland. Indymedia will be in contact with the legal and medical teams. As many people as possible are encouraged to participate. An e-mail list has been set up to support groups doing info-tours, skill share and exchange information. www.trapese.org will be used to put downloadable materials on. There will an info tour in Ireland, Austria, Germany, and Switzerland in April and May. The email list for co-ordination and information dissemination is Educatetheg8atlists.riseup.net The final decisions on actual actions and routes will probably be fairly last minute. However there is agreement that there will be different styles of action that reflect the diversity of tactics. A new translation list has been set up for translators and texts to be co-ordinated. It is translate2005-subscribeatlists.riseup.net It was agreed that a future meeting was needed. Proposals are for Southern Europe, Italy or Greece. Glasgow has agreed to host the meeting should another venue not be found. People were asked to subscribe to the International Email List: international-g82005-subscribeatlists.riseup.net Made decisions; the wonderful hosts in Tuebingen; the translation; the facilitation; meeting nice people and making friends; the presentations - in terms of being able to see the feedback; pre-organisation was good; the meetings didn't run TOO late; presentations - in terms of giving people information; the hand signals worked well in terms of giving constant feedback; the structure of the meeting was good - in terms of having a plenary with feedback from the other meetings; although people wanted to be efficient, the more abstract theoretical discussions were also appreciated. Energy got low in terms of translation and people speaking too much and at the same time towards the end of the weekend - perhaps because people were tired; unrealistic timetables; low energy in Friday night meeting; it is left too unclear who is doing what after the meeting and how decisions and discussions will be followed up upon; people from the UK spoke too much, they should sometimes just shut up and not say anything; it was tiring for people having to listen to English as a second language for up to 10 hours a day; sometimes the discussions were a little too abstract; Info session on Saturday morning could've been more concise (people could've prepared themselves if texts had been available); perhaps it would be good to start the meeting on the Friday at mid-day the next time so that we could have more breaks; would be good to have good maps of the area where the meeting is so people can avoid police controls; name badges for the next meeting; people shouldn't be afraid to talk in their native languages and be translated if necessary; there should be positive discrimination for those who haven't spoken in meetings - i.e. they should jump to the front of the queue; should maybe restrict the time that people speak, for example, to one minute; there should be a greater consciousness of those with less experience - for example, people shouldn't presume everyone understands the hand signals that are used. Proposal: In order to limit confusion and overlap, it was suggested that the London international networking meeting take place on March 26th while International networking issues are dealt with on march 27th in Leeds. It was further proposed that there be clear coordination in advance of both meetings between those in London and Leeds regarding the agendas for both meetings and, in the case of London, informing Leeds what transpired in London so this information may be incorporated into the meeting. Consensus was reached on this proposal Proposal: A proposal was made that the possibility of hosting another International meeting should be posed back to the larger Tubingen gathering. Further, the gathering should also be asked for input as to whether the next meeting should be in Scotland or in Europe - potentially Italy. Consensus was reached on this proposal Last Updated ( Monday, 05 December 2005 ) |
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